Wednesday - June 28, 2017
Home    About    Writers    Links    Contact     RSS

About the Author

Bobby McMahon

Bobby McMahon

You can see me on Soccer Central most Mondays and Thursdays on Rogers Sportsnet in Canada. I write a regular column for Forbes.com and Soccerly.com and frequently guest on various podcasts and radio shows.


TANGENTS

Van Persie, Arsenal And The Usual Suspects

Written by on July 10, 2012 | 24 Comments »
Posted in Arsenal, English Premier League

(Part 2 – yesterday’s article – “Van Persie Gets Ready To Walk Away From Arsenal But Where To And When?”)

In situations like this, player agents normally try to link their clients with Real Madrid and Barcelona. (Some mention big-spending Malaga but leaving a third place English team for a 4th place and trophy-less  La Liga team hardly seems upwardly mobile.)

Although both could afford the Dutchman, it is difficult to see…

For more of this article please click the link.


24 responses to “Van Persie, Arsenal And The Usual Suspects”

  1. Ed Gomes says:

    I’ve never been a huge RvP fan. He misses too big a stretches, and I truly believe he isn’t the leader he’s now being made out to be.
    The problem for Arsenal is that he’s soon to be 29 years old. Being that age and with only one year left on the deal, it cripples Arsenal. We know the fans will turn on him, rightly so, but they will also be looking at who will be coming in. Although Arsenal needs to get the most possible, but if he stays in the EPL it will definately hurt. The best case scenario for Arsenal is that RvP wants the most money period and someone like Malaga (La Ligas City), who is in the CL, comes calling.

    It’s hard to kill Arsenals success, but in the last couple of seasons it seems as if they’ve been unprepared. No Plan B’s seem to have been planned. We’ll see.
    Let me add that I find it funny that people are still shocked players go where the money is. The fact is that everyday people do it all the time. The amount that’s spoken of, shouldn’t have any bearing on the decision.

  2. Spider Rico says:

    I think one of the few players who has the possibility of replacing RvP with Arsenal not missing a step is Stevan Jovetic. But what are the chances of Wenger splashing out Fiorentina’s 30M Euro price tag?

  3. Alberta Gooner says:

    @Bobby

    Excellent piece.

    @Ed Gomes

    Do Arsenal have to sell him? Wenger reportedly has 50m available for transfers so there’s no real need to push him out from a financial perspective. I recognize some supporters would not be happy about it but if he suits up and plays hard, I can’t see a repeat of some of the Nasri chants.

    About the only reason why Wenger may want to consider a sale this summer is to control where he winds up. If he doesn’t want RvP to follow the well-worn path to Eastlands from Islington, they might want to encourage Juventus to nudge up their reported 8m pound bid. I really don’t see another plausible buyer for him on the Continent other than Bayern. And Robben and RvP apparently have an intense dislike for each other.

    @Spider Rico

    “But what are the chances of Wenger splashing out Fiorentina’s 30M Euro price tag?”

    Slim to none as he refused to get into a bidding war over Eden Hazard (whom he had tracked for several years) and stopped well short of that on Mario Goetzke when Dortmund allegedly asked for 25m before the kid extended his deal.

    Jovetic is a good player but Wenger will only pay a premium for players who qualify as homegrown under the Premier League and Champions League rules, as he did with the Ox last year. And even then, he was shopping in a different price range — that was a 12m fee rising to 15 based on appearances.

  4. rdm says:

    Yeah but… none of that is any FUN

  5. ED – Malaga still has a play off to win before they are in the Champions League group stage.
    Jovetic’s injury has to be a concern to any potential buyer as much as I love him.

  6. Spider Rico says:

    AG – No need for your stats and speculative Wenger dealings of the past as it was a rhetorical question… everyone knows how “The Chizzler” operates.

    Rumors of Chamakh to Fiorentina so perhaps some wheelin’ N dealin’ to be done for Jovetic.

    If any Arsenal fans really believes the likes of Wilshire, Ox or Poldi posses the technical ability and experienced leadership to take them anywhere other than perhaps a Carling or FA Cup final… they are in for yet another reality check come May.

  7. fabr04 says:

    Three questions:

    1) You say that Chelsea probably won’t want RvP, but you don’t say much about why. I would think he would be a fine match – Hazard, Oscar, and Mata have to pass the ball to someone. Roman has been willing to pay up for older players in recent years, and he…how shall I put this…doesn’t seem like a guy who goes to sleep wondering whether he’s run afoul of the letter or the spirit of “fair play”.

    2) While I agree that RM would prefer Aguero, why would City sell their player of the year? City can certainly match whatever personal terms RM offer, and RvP is (IMHO) an upgrade over Higuain. If I were City, Aguero is the last striker I would sell.

    3) Is Inter not a possibility? They’re not in the CL this year, but they’ve been wiling to spend what it takes to win trophies in recent years, and they’re due for a player clearout.

    And if RvP does leave, at least we’re already secure at the striker position: 17 year old M’baye Niang has arrived from Caen. What a relief!

  8. Alberta Gooner says:

    @Spider Rico

    It’s amazing you consistently misspell Wilshere’s last name no matter what you call yourself. Oh and it is Chiseller or would be if anybody important or well informed actually called him that.

    @FABR04

    Inter is engaged in a massive purge of their own in order to meet FFP. The excellent Swiss Ramble has chronicled the poor state of the finances here.

    http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2011/12/moneys-too-tight-to-mention-at-inter.html

    “And if RvP does leave, at least we’re already secure at the striker position: 17 year old M’baye Niang has arrived from Caen. What a relief!”

    What’s funny about this statement is Niang has accomplished more than Fabregas did when Wenger brought him to the club as a teenager. How did that work out again?

  9. J says:

    I think the agent deserves some scrutiny here: failing to renegotiate a contract earlier so that it now expires at age 30…on a player with a history of injuries, no less.

  10. rdm says:

    In fairness, up until last season, what exactly did his agent have to negotiate with? Granted RvP was a good player who showed flashes of greatness but he didn’t exactly light up the league until last season’s heroics. They’d hardly have been coming into negotiations from a position of strength. Granted his 2010/2011 season’s tally of 18 goals is no small feat but it’s hardly something you’d pick for holding a club to ransom over.

    And if you leave out the last 2 seasons, he didn’t once average better than a goal every 2 games at any point in his career.

  11. fabr04 says:

    @AG – I requested a couple of months ago that you not respond to my comments. Please respect that request.

  12. Spider Rico says:

    AG – I commend your spelling ability. Too bad the same cannot be said of your insight into the game.

  13. Alberta Gooner says:

    @FABR04

    I thought you’d like an answer to your question about why Inter won’t be buying RvP so feel free not to click on that link and educate yourself as to why. Everybody else who might wonder about that question will appreciate what the Swiss Ramble has to say about it. Oh and smartassed comments about why Wenger would go for Niang deserve to be mocked.

    Just so there is no hard feelings, I’ll try to find somebody else who can respond to you without hurting your feelings.

    @Spider Rico/HTV/SL/WTF!

    lol – I’ll consider the source on that one, sport. If you don’t value my insights, you are free to ignore them. I just thought you’d like to be clued in why Jovetic probably isn’t coming to north London this summer. Since you seem to prefer to keep yourself in a state of uninformed ignorance, you might want to strike up a dialogue with my buddy FABR04. He doesn’t want ugly truths ruining his ideas for improving the club he’s supported since 2004. Maybe you two could share some of your insights about this topic with each other on this thread. I’d be interested to hear what insights emerge from that meeting of the minds.

  14. everwonthetreble says:

    RDM:

    “In fairness, up until last season, what exactly did his agent have to negotiate with?”

    Excellent point and for me it sheds even more light on his ridiculous comments about the way the club should move forward. Given his track record for injuries he’s lucky the club decided to keep him there as long as they did. Apart from two good seasons he’s contributed very little to the cause in the grand scheme of things. If I heard the same rhetoric coming from Alex Song, who supplied RVP time and again, I would understand it totally. But obviously he’s not as ambitious as RVP is.

    “Since you seem to prefer to keep yourself in a state of uninformed ignorance, you might want to strike up a dialogue with my buddy FABR04. He doesn’t want ugly truths ruining his ideas for improving the club he’s supported since 2004. Maybe you two could share some of your insights about this topic with each other on this thread. I’d be interested to hear what insights emerge from that meeting of the minds.”

    Hahaha! Nice one. Ignorant thing was a little harsh though, ar’ kid.

    FABR04:

    Please tell me he’s taking the piss about you supporting the club since 04.

  15. Ed Gomes says:

    Bobby, I was aware that Malaga had to play in the playoff round. That round has been getting harder and harder, so we’ll see. I’m actually surprised that Malaga hasn’t been busier in transfer market, especially in being at the very least linked to someone.
    I was very impressed with their finish last season. Maybe it had more to do with other clubs falling, but impressive for the first year of a project, just the same.

    AG, I think that Arsenal has no choice but to sell. They’ll have a disgruntled player that won’t want to get hurt. His age is definately a factor at this point, so any more injuries would further damage him financially. Should Wenger play hardball it could be more harmful than helpful.
    As for replacements, it’s going to be hard to fill last seasons RvP totals. But it could be done, via multiple players. Let me just say that I’m not a Podolski fan, so I feel it must come from elsewhere.
    Wait a minute, I forgot they had the EPL’s best striker, Bendtner. Lol.

    The question I would like to pose, is in regards to the rest of the team.
    I’m still not a big believer in the goalie. His Euro performance wasn’t very encouraging. I still say he’s more Almunia than people think. Just my opinion.
    Is the defense set as well?
    Is the midfield set? Arteta again? Yes there’s youngsters but injuries have to be a huge concern with Wilshere.
    Just wondering if the whole RvP, it’s now a mess, will take away from other concerns.

  16. Fabr04 – if you come back with Roman not being one for fair play after I specifically dealt with that issue in the two articles I really don’t know what more I can add.
    I certainly cant think of two many “older” players signed by Chelsea over the last decade. Torres – hardly old at 26 when
    n he signed; Deco perhaps. van Persie would no fit the pattern.

  17. Alberta Gooner says:

    @Ed

    Agree with you that Arsenal probably have to sell because of the potential disruption.

    In terms of replacing his goals, I do think Wenger is looking at a combination of Giroud, Podolski and an improved total from Gervinho, who started well but dropped off after the ACN. There’s also the possibility that Wenger could go out and purchase another striker, too. And if he goes that route, don’t sleep on CSKA’s Seydou Doumbia, who has been tracked by the club for some time.

    “I’m still not a big believer in the goalie. His Euro performance wasn’t very encouraging. I still say he’s more Almunia than people think. Just my opinion.”

    Szczesny endured a horrible Euros but I can’t see the club changing his mindset about keeping him as the starter, especially as he is cheap, is considered a homegrown player and showed promise last season.

    “Is the defense set as well?”

    I’d like to think we’ll be OK but injuries took out all of our fullbacks at various times last year, which really hurt us. Sagna and Mertesacker are both apparently recovering nicely. I know PSG’s Mahamadou Sahko — whom Wenger has tracked for a long time — was recently grumbling about PT with PSG. The one player I’ve definitely heard was the subject of an Arsenal bid was Auxerre and youth French international defender Willy Boly, who would fall into the M’baye Niang category.

    “Is the midfield set? Arteta again? Yes there’s youngsters but injuries have to be a huge concern with Wilshere.”

    Arteta was one of our best players last season but he cannot be expected to play 40-plus games. Wilshere might be ready for the start of the season but the club are not going to rush it. I suspect you’ll see these two rotated a fair amount in order to spare their legs. Aaron Ramsey, Rosicky and Diaby will all play in the attacking role (although the Ox is being mooted as a possible option there, too). Song will start at the base with Coquelin and Frimpong given a chance in the cups and the odd league game. The only thing that might change is if Wenger pulls the trigger on either Yann M’Vila or Etienne Capoue. That would allow Wenger to rest Song as well as give him the ability to push him further forward or drop him into centre half (which Wenger claims is his best position).

    “Just wondering if the whole RvP, it’s now a mess, will take away from other concerns.”

    I doubt it — the club appeared prepared for this contingency, which is why wrapping up the Podolski and Giroud signings early was important.

    Wenger still has 50m to spend even before Kees Vos engineered this drama with RvP. The priorities in any order are to sell dross, resolve RvP and sign a midfielder or two. Progress is being made on the first (Real Sociedad has agreed a fee for Vela, Bendtner is negotiating with Malaga, Squillaci has apparently found a couple of teams in France and Arsenal are willing to let him go for a nominal fee).

  18. Alberta Gooner says:

    @EWTT

    “Hahaha! Nice one. Ignorant thing was a little harsh though, ar’ kid.’

    Harsh but fair.

    “Please tell me he’s taking the piss about you supporting the club since 04.”

    I’m afraid not — he mentioned it in a previous thread while trying to explain to me how Wenger had been ruining Arsenal’s “brand value” since 2004.

  19. Dr. Scoot says:

    Bobby,

    Great article. What are the chances of Arsenal hanging on to him due to insufficient offers and him staying due to few offers post-season?

  20. J says:

    Regarding the agent having limited maneuverability before this season, some of that is correct, but unfortunately I think that gives him credit for a lucky gamble (and a payoff that’s still yet to be determined).

    At a minimum, I think you’d want the client to be under contract to 32 or 33. From that platform, you can still conduct a professional tantrum to demand a wage increase or transfer…and since the transfer fee is higher for players with remaining years on their contracts, you’d still have the present club as an ally if transfer is what you’re after.

    This season was an aberration in that RvP wasn’t injured. Any significant injury this season will erase from memory anything that happened last year.

  21. rdm says:

    Well to the best of my knowledge, RvP wasn’t exactly agitating for a move prior to having a blinder of a season, I agree that I think this gambit came much more from a ‘let’s see what happens if we do this’ sort of move than from any premeditated plan of attack.

  22. J says:

    Oh God. I think I know the club direction he’s objecting to…it’s the new away kit:

    http://arsenaldirect.arsenal.com/

    I wonder if Szczesny gets a ‘Raspberry Beret’ to go with ‘Purple Reign’.

  23. Robert Quinn says:

    all Arsenal fans should read this dudehttp://arseblog.com/2012/07/sheik-rattle-and-roll/

  24. Robert Quinn says:

    sorry about the link. just copy and enjoy a good take

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

House Rules

Please refrain from posting comments that;

  • Attempt to demean, intimidate or bully fellow readers
  • Are racist, sexist, homophobic, sexually explicit, intolerant or otherwise abusive
  • Includes language likely to offend or attempts to try and circumvent this request
  • Could be considered spam

The House reserves the right to delete any such comments and to block further participation on the site.




Soccer Report Extra
© copyright 2010. All rights reserved.
 
Designed and Developed by:
Bills'eye + Underscorefunk Design